Anna and Emily are joined by artist Amy Isles Freeman, who introduces us to her mother, Joanna. They talk about Joanna's influence on Amy's artistic practice, boundaries and romantic relationships in the wake of loss and the difficulties in grieving a complex mother-daughter relationship. Oh, and platform flip-flops.
You can follow Amy on Instagram @amyislesfreeman.
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Produced by Frank Lockyer Palmer. With thanks to Hannah Trevarthen.
Yours in grief, A & B xx