Anna and Emily are joined by poet and Young People's Laureate for London, Cecilia Knapp. She discusses how her mum, Mary Anne, balanced single motherhood to three children with her own selfhood. They also cover writing as an outlet for grief, pineapple pizza in bed and the unique comfort of John Nettles.
You can follow Cecilia on Twitter and Instagram @ceciliaknapp.
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Produced by Chris Thorburn. With thanks to Hannah Trevarthen.
Yours in grief, A & B xx