Anna and Emily are joined by academic and nature enthusiast, Dr Catherine Kelly, who introduces her mum, Dympna. They discuss Catherine's new book, Blue Spaces, and everything water - how it works as an analogy for grief, as well as its healing potential.
You can get your hands on Catherine's book here https://www.waterstones.com/book/blue-spaces/dr-catherine-kelly/9781789562842.
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Produced by Chris Thorburn. With thanks to Hannah Trevarthen.
Yours in grief, A & E xx