Anna and Emily are joined by science writer, Cathleen O'Grady, who introduces her mum, Gill. Topics of discussion include Gill's ability to make anything fun and her maximum maternal force.
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Produced by Chris Thorburn. With thanks to Hannah Trevarthen.
Yours in grief, A & E xx