Anna and Emily are joined by the dame herself, Bibi Lynch, who introduces us to her mum - and namesake - Bibi. They discuss not only Bibi's grief for her mother but also her grief of the pain of childlessness and the difficulties of navigating life in a pro-natalism society.
You can follow Bibi @BibiLynch on Twitter and Instagram or go to her website www.bibilynch.com.
To get in touch with the podcast, you can email us at themotherofalllosses [at] gmail [dot] com or sling us a Tweet @TMOALPod.
Produced by Chris Thorburn. With thanks to Hannah Trevarthen.
Yours in grief, A & E xx